Comments on: Yomeiro Choice – a poor choice

By: Jacob

Jacob — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:35:30 +0000

Nothing is inconsistent when you do it carefreely(The author).
I want you to write a review that actually stands on both sides.You should always show the pros and cons about the story.
Right now you are only one sided.Try to find why it has no consistency.It is not a failure of consistency,it is just the way they do their work,don’t you find it in other mangas as well?To-Love-Ru or something.It is too bad that the author is too carefree and didn’t think about others feeling or how it would affect other society with different point of view.
It could be that the author was directing it to the people that are carefree too and wouldn’t take that kind of jokes seriously.
It’s not like it is a cult that would like to brainwash people to do all that you stated in real life(That’s the age limit for though).You really have to stop for a while and think,when people read and face the reality.They find it funny in mangas but will they find it funny in real life?Of course they won’t find it funny!Like you say incest,I bet all of the people who read that don’t find it funny when they face it themselves but not when seeing other people/character.
haha and stop with the comparing thing.People will act differently in different situations trust me.This is between different types of people not race or something,so every race would have people like this or most of the race.You yourself said that people have different tastes.
His daughter is just teasing him not obsessed(except that one daughter the one you put her picture).Still didn’t considered obsess because she is swayed by her father words.Seriously,it is not like until they planned on marrying him right?She came to notice her true goal which then made by the author that she joins for humour(It’s a fantasy anyways).About polygamy thing I have faced this,I also thought that why didn’t he just marry all of them even in real life,but its about the girls feeling really.
I am in the losing side actually because its the author himself making the mistake,harem mangas always do have this “paper-thin” excuse for things since it’s stupidly funny for some people(I am not talking about the “those who think rape is somehow inherently funny.”Also which is why they are not well knowned like other big shot mangas)
I myself don’t read it always since it has no good plot.If you want some bad mangas try bashing Aki-Sora.That is more sick than this since this manga which is about humour at least(in a bad way to some people).
Well conclusively I don’t think this manga is that bad compared to all the hentais.At the least it has some meaning in it.Like you say consequences even though that is not what the author really wants to forward to the readers.You want story with consequences fundamental, try watching/study “School Days”,that is the real anime that fits what you’re talking about.
I don’t know why you hate this manga despite your open mindedness.I know this is your review but other people also would read it.I knew how you see things,maybe it’s about respect…(I like the drawing best,I hope the author would do some more manga with a more clear target in mind)
I understand,just next time say back to the people don’t discriminate others.It’s what you call mutation.You can’t stop it when it could already called a culture because it’s already part of humanity.People keep evolving and it is just a matter of time people will accept it or kill them if they don’t want to accept it…(Besides things that would bring negative effects which wouldn’t come in a large group like psychopaths they will get caught and sent in jail or something)
All in all I don’t feel like debating or fighting.We are on the same level here.You have your rights and I have mine.
By the way have you read Bloody Monday?(not an ecchi but cool manga,I don’t know whether they have an anime for it)
don’t reply since I am not a member and tend to forget to go back.

By: Shance

Shance — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:23:08 +0000

If you don’t feel like regretting, you can always take the choice and see how it goes (like you did). Live to tell the tale, or don’t. Let the others do some self-mindrape.

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By: moritheil

moritheil — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:01:18 +0000

Thanks for your comments, though ironically enough, I think actually you are the one missing a bit of context.

First, all my reviews are from my point of view. It's what makes them my reviews. I know my biases and I don't feel it's productive to try to compensate for them; see the article Meta, Meta, Meta for a discussion of that.

Second, I am well aware of the differing context between Japanese reading of things and an American reading of things. See my earlier articles Arthur Kirkland Hates Lolis or Kannagi and Virginity if you want to see me discussing the cultural differences. All this said, my awareness does not, however, change the fact that I will still occasionally react like a product of the culture I live in. This isn't a bad thing; it's a good thing - it makes my reviews pertinent to other people from Western culture.

Incidentally, you seem to be implying that Japanese in general wouldn't find this manga sick at all. I assure you that this is not the case. Sexualization of young girls is culturally accepted but that still doesn't mean that drugging people or raping them is (and for the nth time, yes, having your way with someone unconscious is rape. Consider Shinji's scene in EVA. It's not meant to make us laugh.)

My issue with Yomeiro Choice isn't that I can't understand it. Irony is fine, but it's also at present become a reflexive defense for things done poorly in literature and the arts. Kodomo no Jikan has literary merit as a deconstruction of genre archetypes. Yomeiro Choice has none, because it doesn't do any of that. It stops at the level of pastiche. The author may have attempted more - I have no reason to doubt your assertion - but this attempt was not a success.

By: plmko

plmko — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:38:50 +0000

You know your critisising the work without actual context, and simply looking at it from a foreigners point of view.
1. The author mentions in his comments that this is not suppose to provide sexual materials to anyone, but rather its more like a test of irony. Irony that your reading something so close to pornography, but yet it never goes beyond what is taboo in Japan. That is why this manga is not published in any of the month “Hentai” magazines but in a “mature” aged monthy magazine.
2. If you think this is sick, once again you’ve applied a foreigners eye on Japan. Japan has a very different view on sexuality, for instance you may find in magazines aimed at adolescence girls, to contain instructions that promote underage sex.
Personally I also believe it is sick, but at the same time the Japanese believe us westerners are sick to have nuclear weapons.

By: moritheil

moritheil — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:30:24 +0000

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. However, your comments show that you either don't understand literary criticism, or are deliberately bringing up nonsensical arguments in an attempt to troll. For example, when you argue "the disappearing element becomes relevant again when the author feels like using it," you only prove my earlier point about "a failure of consistency."

I don't see why you're so desperately invested in proving the review "wrong," unless maybe you actually find some of my criticisms valid and this makes you uncomfortable. Either way, effective communication between us is impossible.

"There isn’t any moral or message intended, and this should have been clear from the start."

That is precisely what makes it an inferior work.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:27:19 +0000

Just expressing my opinion on this poorly conceived review. :)

By: rayyhum777

rayyhum777 — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:01:34 +0000

@Anonymous – thank you for commenting. :)

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By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:30:02 +0000

Judging by your first paragraph, you apparently haven’t read the whole series, as the disappearing element becomes relevant again when the author feels like using it. Realistically though, this is a gag manga full of references to Doraemon, Dragon Ball, and the harem genre, complete with frequent fourth-wall breaking where the characters talk about the magazine the series runs in and the author herself, so why you expect a serious story to develop in most chapters is beyond me.

Statutory rape? You’re kidding, right? ALL of the characters are underage (Karin’s mother notwithstanding, but she’s only relevant in a single chapter and never gets very far with Saku himself anyway), and virtually all of them are willing to go at it. Apparently you were referring to chapter 7, which is a single chapter, so it’s not like this is a frequent occurrence. The daughters themselves generally admit that feelings are important, so they try to go for it that way.

This whole manga is a play on the harem genre taken to the extreme, or at least that’s how I see it. Every character is a common archetype you see in harems and most situations are cliches. Why the HELL are you looking at it for a deep meaning or moral, or even thinking of comparing this to Dr. Strangelove? There isn’t any moral or message intended, and this should have been clear from the start. You connect Rape in Yomeiro-Choice to Bombing in Dr. Strangelove, but frankly this connection is weak for a number of reasons, first one being that Rape is not the point of Yomeiro-Choice and it arguably occurs in only one chapter. Yomeiro-Choice isn’t trying to take something negative and make it funny; it takes a common genre of shounen manga and increases the risque level about 10 notches.

I’m not sure I ever said the manga was clever, but I do like the basic story concept, how off the wall and nonsensical things tend to be (reminds me of watching old cartoons, in a way) and I find the gags to be hilarious much of the time.

TL;DR: You’re taking this ecchi shock gag series WAY too seriously. Stop it.