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		<title>By: Twelve Dramatists that defined 2009 &#171; The Moritheil Review</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twelve Dramatists that defined 2009 &#171; The Moritheil Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] set off a campaign that precipitated questionable legal revisions across the globe, including a proposed act in the UK, a new law in the Phillippines that failed to distinguish between hentai and other forms of anime, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anime Diet &#187; MangaGamer sparks outrage over Soul Link</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anime Diet &#187; MangaGamer sparks outrage over Soul Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to sexualize underage persons with alarm, and Anime Diet has previously reported on efforts in the United Kingdom and the Philippines to ban all works that portray minors in a sexual context. It is unclear what [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anime Diet &#187; Civil Liberties Continue to Crumble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anime Diet &#187; Civil Liberties Continue to Crumble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] News and Commentary     Recently a Filipino ban on hentai manga/anime followed a vaguely worded, proposed UK law that would make all sexualized, simulated depictions of minors illegal (possibly making all [...]</description>
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		<title>By: moritheil</title>
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		<dc:creator>moritheil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;tai&lt;/strong&gt; - I responded at your site (and I&#039;m glad you&#039;ll be able to use the phone case you went to so much trouble to order), but I basically think that having to hope for lax enforcement of the laws is a terrible legal situation. 

&lt;strong&gt;Foomy&lt;/strong&gt; - Well said. Though let&#039;s be frank, thought crime has been with us as long as there has been society.  It just hasn&#039;t always had the weight of law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>tai</strong> &#8211; I responded at your site (and I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ll be able to use the phone case you went to so much trouble to order), but I basically think that having to hope for lax enforcement of the laws is a terrible legal situation. </p>
<p><strong>Foomy</strong> &#8211; Well said. Though let&#8217;s be frank, thought crime has been with us as long as there has been society.  It just hasn&#8217;t always had the weight of law.</p>
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		<title>By: Foomy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foomy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 02:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to the age of thoughtcrime, where you can be jailed for exploiting fictitious children, and also you can be both the perpetrator and the only victim of a sex crime.</description>
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		<title>By: tai</title>
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		<dc:creator>tai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I (the person that ordered the phone in the last link) am not British, the cover-design program is only available in the UK so I&#039;m getting my UK friend to bring it back to Canada. I don&#039;t think that changes anything though, the lolicon represents a good number of Otaku worldwide.
Regarding laws though, although this is bad news for British Otaku, the severity of the situation in the UK is still to be determined. Loli material is technically illegal in Canada, though it is not strictly followed, so unless you&#039;re stupid you can get away with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I (the person that ordered the phone in the last link) am not British, the cover-design program is only available in the UK so I&#8217;m getting my UK friend to bring it back to Canada. I don&#8217;t think that changes anything though, the lolicon represents a good number of Otaku worldwide.<br />
Regarding laws though, although this is bad news for British Otaku, the severity of the situation in the UK is still to be determined. Loli material is technically illegal in Canada, though it is not strictly followed, so unless you&#8217;re stupid you can get away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: moritheil</title>
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		<dc:creator>moritheil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Kuromitsu&lt;/strong&gt; - You group &lt;em&gt;Kodomo no Jikan&lt;/em&gt;, which goes out of its way to subvert genre and stereotype, and thus has some literary merit, with hentai doujinshi, which are merely pornographic. Perhaps it is my turn to ask - are you serious?  

The entire point of &lt;em&gt;Kodomo no Jikan&lt;/em&gt; is that, given the roles typically assigned in the genre, the girl is supposed to be innocent and pure, and she is not.  You have just proved my point about cultural awareness.  If you do not read the work with the expectation that the girl will act in a certain manner, then the work cannot contradict your expectations, and thus its literary significance in challenging those expectations is lost.  &lt;em&gt;Kodomo no Jikan&lt;/em&gt;, in subverting the conventional roles, asks why the roles exist.  Missing this point and asserting there is no literary merit is akin to suggesting the &lt;em&gt;Song of Solomon&lt;/em&gt; is merely a bawdy tale rather than an allegory of divine love.

There is another legal principle that I did not mention above, and it is that the law should not cast too wide a net.   You are very cavalier about all the non-pornographic manga and anime that may become illegal under this act.  A great many include fanservice moments, which could be said to be &quot;sexual situations,&quot; even if in context they are meant as comedy, as with &lt;em&gt;Love Hina&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Excel Saga&lt;/em&gt;, or &lt;em&gt;Negima&lt;/em&gt;.  Under this bill it is quite easy for an overzealous prosecutor to send even the typical non-H anime fan to trial.  Is this an improvement of existing law?  I submit that it is not.

&quot;Fantasy is one thing; reality is something else.&quot; 

That is precisely what is wrong about this law.

&lt;strong&gt;Martin&lt;/strong&gt; - Of course it is good that some celebrities are speaking up for what is reasonable, but can you truly expect every judicial agent to display the understanding and open-mindedness shown by Mr. Gaiman?  (I follow his twitter myself, incidentally.)  More to the point, should it come down to that?

I think your assessment is correct.  Generally, hastily conceived and framed legislation is to some degree driven by media furor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Kuromitsu</strong> &#8211; You group <em>Kodomo no Jikan</em>, which goes out of its way to subvert genre and stereotype, and thus has some literary merit, with hentai doujinshi, which are merely pornographic. Perhaps it is my turn to ask &#8211; are you serious?  </p>
<p>The entire point of <em>Kodomo no Jikan</em> is that, given the roles typically assigned in the genre, the girl is supposed to be innocent and pure, and she is not.  You have just proved my point about cultural awareness.  If you do not read the work with the expectation that the girl will act in a certain manner, then the work cannot contradict your expectations, and thus its literary significance in challenging those expectations is lost.  <em>Kodomo no Jikan</em>, in subverting the conventional roles, asks why the roles exist.  Missing this point and asserting there is no literary merit is akin to suggesting the <em>Song of Solomon</em> is merely a bawdy tale rather than an allegory of divine love.</p>
<p>There is another legal principle that I did not mention above, and it is that the law should not cast too wide a net.   You are very cavalier about all the non-pornographic manga and anime that may become illegal under this act.  A great many include fanservice moments, which could be said to be &#8220;sexual situations,&#8221; even if in context they are meant as comedy, as with <em>Love Hina</em>, <em>Excel Saga</em>, or <em>Negima</em>.  Under this bill it is quite easy for an overzealous prosecutor to send even the typical non-H anime fan to trial.  Is this an improvement of existing law?  I submit that it is not.</p>
<p>&#8220;Fantasy is one thing; reality is something else.&#8221; </p>
<p>That is precisely what is wrong about this law.</p>
<p><strong>Martin</strong> &#8211; Of course it is good that some celebrities are speaking up for what is reasonable, but can you truly expect every judicial agent to display the understanding and open-mindedness shown by Mr. Gaiman?  (I follow his twitter myself, incidentally.)  More to the point, should it come down to that?</p>
<p>I think your assessment is correct.  Generally, hastily conceived and framed legislation is to some degree driven by media furor.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes me wonder if this is all riding on the back of the paranoia whipped up by the media - if you were to be stupid enough to believe the papers you&#039;d assume there&#039;s a kiddie-fiddler living in every street across the land, and YOUR child is going to be the first to be kidnapped or worse. A &lt;em&gt;paediatrician&lt;/em&gt; was a victim of protests at the hands of what must have been a semi-illiterate mob a few years back.

The writer Neil Gaiman (whose opinions I hold in very high regard) made a good post on his personal blog about the issue, proving that some people here like to think rationally. It&#039;s called &quot;Why defend the freedom of icky speech?&quot; for those curious.

Sadly he&#039;s right that we don&#039;t have the same freedom of speech that you stateside folks do: I disapprove of lolicon as much as he does but the heavy-handed and thoughtless way in which this legislation is being pushed through saddens me. How can it defend people&#039;s rights when innocent people are being dragged through the courts and given a criminal record on what is merely a technicality rather than a genuine crime? It&#039;s making a big show of effectiveness when the errors will outweigh the benefits...a common scenario in Britain today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes me wonder if this is all riding on the back of the paranoia whipped up by the media &#8211; if you were to be stupid enough to believe the papers you&#8217;d assume there&#8217;s a kiddie-fiddler living in every street across the land, and YOUR child is going to be the first to be kidnapped or worse. A <em>paediatrician</em> was a victim of protests at the hands of what must have been a semi-illiterate mob a few years back.</p>
<p>The writer Neil Gaiman (whose opinions I hold in very high regard) made a good post on his personal blog about the issue, proving that some people here like to think rationally. It&#8217;s called &#8220;Why defend the freedom of icky speech?&#8221; for those curious.</p>
<p>Sadly he&#8217;s right that we don&#8217;t have the same freedom of speech that you stateside folks do: I disapprove of lolicon as much as he does but the heavy-handed and thoughtless way in which this legislation is being pushed through saddens me. How can it defend people&#8217;s rights when innocent people are being dragged through the courts and given a criminal record on what is merely a technicality rather than a genuine crime? It&#8217;s making a big show of effectiveness when the errors will outweigh the benefits&#8230;a common scenario in Britain today!</p>
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		<title>By: kuromitsu</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuromitsu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arthur Kirkland is probably most upset that he may have to explain why he has all those albums full of photos of a certain young Alfred F. Jones.
Anyway...
&lt;em&gt;&quot;In the Japanese cultural context, youth is merely a way of depicting or denoting innocence and the capacity for wonder.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
Come &lt;em&gt;on&lt;/em&gt;, you can&#039;t be serious. ^^;; Yes, Kodomo no jikan is all about innocence and capacity for wonder... :D Besides, we&#039;re talking about fap material not everything with underaged children in it. Afaik the bill would only affect manga with lolis (and shota) in obviously sexual situations, stuff like Kodomo no Jikan, Boku no Pico, eromanga/doujin, etc. Not Ichigo Mashimaro and the like.
&lt;em&gt;&quot;Is there something automatically bad about a boy saying, “I want to date an innocent and pure girl?”&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
Well, yes, when under &quot;innocent and pure girl&quot; he means &quot;a girl under fourteen ahh delicious lolis haa haa.&quot; Fantasy is one thing, reality is something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arthur Kirkland is probably most upset that he may have to explain why he has all those albums full of photos of a certain young Alfred F. Jones.<br />
Anyway&#8230;<br />
<em>&#8220;In the Japanese cultural context, youth is merely a way of depicting or denoting innocence and the capacity for wonder.&#8221;</em><br />
Come <em>on</em>, you can&#8217;t be serious. ^^;; Yes, Kodomo no jikan is all about innocence and capacity for wonder&#8230; :D Besides, we&#8217;re talking about fap material not everything with underaged children in it. Afaik the bill would only affect manga with lolis (and shota) in obviously sexual situations, stuff like Kodomo no Jikan, Boku no Pico, eromanga/doujin, etc. Not Ichigo Mashimaro and the like.<br />
<em>&#8220;Is there something automatically bad about a boy saying, “I want to date an innocent and pure girl?”&#8221;</em><br />
Well, yes, when under &#8220;innocent and pure girl&#8221; he means &#8220;a girl under fourteen ahh delicious lolis haa haa.&#8221; Fantasy is one thing, reality is something else.</p>
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