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	<title>Comments on: The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya S2, 23-24 (END)</title>
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		<title>By: moritheil</title>
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		<dc:creator>moritheil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Haruhi is Gnosticism for Dummies, basically.  Just as &lt;a href=&quot;http://animediet.net/podcasts/anime-diet-radio-episode-39-losing-weight-and-losing-cred&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a sect of Buddhism turned to moe for mascots&lt;/a&gt;, we might view Haruhi as the moe mascot for Gnostic deism.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haruhi is Gnosticism for Dummies, basically.  Just as <a href="http://animediet.net/podcasts/anime-diet-radio-episode-39-losing-weight-and-losing-cred" rel="nofollow">a sect of Buddhism turned to moe for mascots</a>, we might view Haruhi as the moe mascot for Gnostic deism.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Kaoishin Sama&lt;/strong&gt;: well, I do see a lot of parallels with &lt;em&gt;Hitchhiker&#039;s&lt;/em&gt;, actually. Of course there are many, many cultural differences (&lt;em&gt;Hitchhiker&#039;s &lt;/em&gt;is as British as anything can be, where an entire chapter is spent trying to get the ship computer to make a good cup of tea, and Haruhi very very otaku Japanese with its collection of haremettes), and the plotlines are not really all that similar, etc. There are no parallel characters so much either. Different humor and different trappings for sure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think, though, that it occupies a similar place in modern anime that &lt;em&gt;Hitchhiker&#039;s &lt;/em&gt;did in SF literature: a lot of absurd humor based on existing tropes, with a splash of  philosophy mixed in. &lt;em&gt;Hitchhikers&lt;/em&gt; proposed an alternative origin of the world, for instance, and dared to answer the question of Life, the Universe, and Everything--and Haruhi also presents a strange and funny universe origin (at least for the characters). They also ruminate on the blurry line between fantasy and reality. And both simultaneously comment and indulge in the trappings of their genres, and I think it&#039;s a reasonable viewpoint as you stated that maybe it did a bit too much of it to be truly original. Then again, &lt;em&gt;Haruhi Suzumiya no Yuutsu&lt;/em&gt; has to have some unoriginal elements if it&#039;s to serve as a meta-commentary, if you will--all parody is in some sense derivative work.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;moritheil&lt;/strong&gt;: well of course stranger origins for religion have happened. Perhaps, like many of the traditional pre-modern pagan religions, the apparent capriciousness of the world as it is can be explained by an equally human-like and capricious god(s), who must be appeased for all to go right with the world? Maybe from a certain point of view the world sometimes seems like it is being controlled by a moody teenage girl. :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And actually I agree with you that any coherent story--any orderly narrative--is in a sense theological, in that it makes sense of the world. (It assumes there is a world to make sense of and that making sense is somehow possible, which are metaphysical assumptions.) I of course meant in a more immediate sense that there is some suspicion that Haruhi is actually divine, and so competing theories of how she influences the events around them are, for that universe, theological debates. How her &quot;sovereignty&quot; is worked out, if you will. And don&#039;t get me wrong, it&#039;s great fun, especially for people like me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Kaoishin Sama</strong>: well, I do see a lot of parallels with <em>Hitchhiker&#8217;s</em>, actually. Of course there are many, many cultural differences (<em>Hitchhiker&#8217;s </em>is as British as anything can be, where an entire chapter is spent trying to get the ship computer to make a good cup of tea, and Haruhi very very otaku Japanese with its collection of haremettes), and the plotlines are not really all that similar, etc. There are no parallel characters so much either. Different humor and different trappings for sure.</p>
<p>I think, though, that it occupies a similar place in modern anime that <em>Hitchhiker&#8217;s </em>did in SF literature: a lot of absurd humor based on existing tropes, with a splash of  philosophy mixed in. <em>Hitchhikers</em> proposed an alternative origin of the world, for instance, and dared to answer the question of Life, the Universe, and Everything&#8211;and Haruhi also presents a strange and funny universe origin (at least for the characters). They also ruminate on the blurry line between fantasy and reality. And both simultaneously comment and indulge in the trappings of their genres, and I think it&#8217;s a reasonable viewpoint as you stated that maybe it did a bit too much of it to be truly original. Then again, <em>Haruhi Suzumiya no Yuutsu</em> has to have some unoriginal elements if it&#8217;s to serve as a meta-commentary, if you will&#8211;all parody is in some sense derivative work.</p>
<p><strong>moritheil</strong>: well of course stranger origins for religion have happened. Perhaps, like many of the traditional pre-modern pagan religions, the apparent capriciousness of the world as it is can be explained by an equally human-like and capricious god(s), who must be appeased for all to go right with the world? Maybe from a certain point of view the world sometimes seems like it is being controlled by a moody teenage girl. :)</p>
<p>And actually I agree with you that any coherent story&#8211;any orderly narrative&#8211;is in a sense theological, in that it makes sense of the world. (It assumes there is a world to make sense of and that making sense is somehow possible, which are metaphysical assumptions.) I of course meant in a more immediate sense that there is some suspicion that Haruhi is actually divine, and so competing theories of how she influences the events around them are, for that universe, theological debates. How her &#8220;sovereignty&#8221; is worked out, if you will. And don&#8217;t get me wrong, it&#8217;s great fun, especially for people like me.</p>
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		<title>By: moritheil</title>
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		<dc:creator>moritheil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;@Kaoshin&lt;/b&gt; - I have no desire to get into dueling literary theories, but as long as a story has a setting, it&#039;s safe to say it borders on theology.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Kaoshin</b> &#8211; I have no desire to get into dueling literary theories, but as long as a story has a setting, it&#8217;s safe to say it borders on theology.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaioshin Sama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaioshin Sama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Moritheil:   No they don&#039;t, sometimes a story is just a story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Moritheil:   No they don&#8217;t, sometimes a story is just a story.</p>
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		<title>By: moritheil</title>
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		<dc:creator>moritheil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Given that Jedi is now &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/18/jedi-religion-tesco-hood-jones&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;officially a religion&lt;/a&gt; in the UK (admittedly, with a much more populist story) I am not sure we can definitively say the Haruhi phenomenon is &quot;not worth&quot; a religion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It may seem frivolous, but that frivolousness is exactly what post-modern existentalism prescribes when dealing with deep, fundamental questions of reality.  All stories, in some sense, border upon theology, and Haruhi all the more so.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that Jedi is now <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/18/jedi-religion-tesco-hood-jones" rel="nofollow">officially a religion</a> in the UK (admittedly, with a much more populist story) I am not sure we can definitively say the Haruhi phenomenon is &#8220;not worth&#8221; a religion.</p>
<p>It may seem frivolous, but that frivolousness is exactly what post-modern existentalism prescribes when dealing with deep, fundamental questions of reality.  All stories, in some sense, border upon theology, and Haruhi all the more so.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaioshin Sama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaioshin Sama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I can&#039;t say I agree with the Hitchhiker&#039;s comparison at all.  I&#039;ve read 3 of the books so far and Haruhi has a completely different style of comedy and focus compared to them.  I find you really can&#039;t compare something like Haruhi to anything in western media because of the vast differences in culture and even sub-culture between regions.
Anyway when I strip away the hype and super fandom I kind of think Haruhi shows potential at times and has signs of attempting to superscede it&#039;s genre trappings, but that it is also just plain derivative at others.  It&#039;s like sometimes it&#039;s willing to be clever, but at other times it&#039;s more than willing to slum it like an average run of the mill gag comedy show.  I found this season ran into the same snag that K-On did for me about halfway through, and that was that there was very little in the way of character development and too much of the same.
In short there&#039;s not terribly much I would say I find especially outstanding about it the vast majority of the time and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s nearly as clever as some people make it out to be, but hey it is pretty to look at....but then so are a lot of other shows.

That said I did find these episodes a vast improvement over what we&#039;ve been given for the majority of this season.  Enough to call it a redemption?  Well it depends on what one would consider a redemption to look like.  I&#039;d really have to think about it, but probably not a redemption in outright quality so much as a redemption in effort.  As if to be able to say &quot;look everybody, they actually tried with these episodes&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I can&#8217;t say I agree with the Hitchhiker&#8217;s comparison at all.  I&#8217;ve read 3 of the books so far and Haruhi has a completely different style of comedy and focus compared to them.  I find you really can&#8217;t compare something like Haruhi to anything in western media because of the vast differences in culture and even sub-culture between regions.<br />
Anyway when I strip away the hype and super fandom I kind of think Haruhi shows potential at times and has signs of attempting to superscede it&#8217;s genre trappings, but that it is also just plain derivative at others.  It&#8217;s like sometimes it&#8217;s willing to be clever, but at other times it&#8217;s more than willing to slum it like an average run of the mill gag comedy show.  I found this season ran into the same snag that K-On did for me about halfway through, and that was that there was very little in the way of character development and too much of the same.<br />
In short there&#8217;s not terribly much I would say I find especially outstanding about it the vast majority of the time and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s nearly as clever as some people make it out to be, but hey it is pretty to look at&#8230;.but then so are a lot of other shows.</p>
<p>That said I did find these episodes a vast improvement over what we&#8217;ve been given for the majority of this season.  Enough to call it a redemption?  Well it depends on what one would consider a redemption to look like.  I&#8217;d really have to think about it, but probably not a redemption in outright quality so much as a redemption in effort.  As if to be able to say &#8220;look everybody, they actually tried with these episodes&#8221;.</p>
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