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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://animediet.net/anime-reviews/review-toradora-85/comment-page-1#comment-11438</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Topspin:&lt;/strong&gt; sorry for the belated response, if you&#039;re still reading this. Yeah, if you&#039;ve lived through certain things, a lot of the stuff in &lt;em&gt;Toradora!&lt;/em&gt; actually rings true. As I said to a previous commenter, sometimes in real life people really do scream and shout, and to that I would also add that some people are also very quiet and can hold a torch for a person for years. &lt;em&gt;Honey and Clover&lt;/em&gt; of course is full of the latter, and I would say that just in the same way that &lt;em&gt;Toradora!&lt;/em&gt; at first seemed cliched but revealed its depths over time, so did &lt;em&gt;H&amp;C&lt;/em&gt; in its love affairs, which were intimately connected with the rest of the lives of the characters. I did enjoy the non-romance aspects of it more, to tell the truth, but someone like Yamada can be annoying until, well, you meet people just like that. And fortunately there was plenty else to make up for it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Someone:&lt;/strong&gt; you&#039;re very welcome. I enjoyed writing this review all those months ago for a show I really appreciated, and one of these days I should rewatch it and see whether I still would say the same things about it. :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think for me, &lt;em&gt;Karekano&lt;/em&gt; stands out for a couple of reasons: one, it is a story that focuses on what happens during an actual dating relationship (they get together in episode 4), which is rare in romance anime; two, as you mentioned, it delves into the inner lives of Yukino and Miyazawa in ways that are very true to life and psychologically insightful, something Anno does well at his best. I basically went to school with competitive kids like those two and recognized their character traits and their flaws. With &lt;em&gt;Toradora&lt;/em&gt; we have archetypes who have hidden depths, and whose situations are slightly less believable, though, as you also said, you get the feeling that you are learning something about maturity and life by seeing the way the characters grow. That passage toward maturity is the most moving part of &lt;em&gt;Toradora&lt;/em&gt; for me and something there needs to be much more of in anime. Badly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Topspin:</strong> sorry for the belated response, if you&#8217;re still reading this. Yeah, if you&#8217;ve lived through certain things, a lot of the stuff in <em>Toradora!</em> actually rings true. As I said to a previous commenter, sometimes in real life people really do scream and shout, and to that I would also add that some people are also very quiet and can hold a torch for a person for years. <em>Honey and Clover</em> of course is full of the latter, and I would say that just in the same way that <em>Toradora!</em> at first seemed cliched but revealed its depths over time, so did <em>H&amp;C</em> in its love affairs, which were intimately connected with the rest of the lives of the characters. I did enjoy the non-romance aspects of it more, to tell the truth, but someone like Yamada can be annoying until, well, you meet people just like that. And fortunately there was plenty else to make up for it.</p>
<p><strong>Someone:</strong> you&#8217;re very welcome. I enjoyed writing this review all those months ago for a show I really appreciated, and one of these days I should rewatch it and see whether I still would say the same things about it. :)</p>
<p>I think for me, <em>Karekano</em> stands out for a couple of reasons: one, it is a story that focuses on what happens during an actual dating relationship (they get together in episode 4), which is rare in romance anime; two, as you mentioned, it delves into the inner lives of Yukino and Miyazawa in ways that are very true to life and psychologically insightful, something Anno does well at his best. I basically went to school with competitive kids like those two and recognized their character traits and their flaws. With <em>Toradora</em> we have archetypes who have hidden depths, and whose situations are slightly less believable, though, as you also said, you get the feeling that you are learning something about maturity and life by seeing the way the characters grow. That passage toward maturity is the most moving part of <em>Toradora</em> for me and something there needs to be much more of in anime. Badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Someone</title>
		<link>http://animediet.net/anime-reviews/review-toradora-85/comment-page-1#comment-11431</link>
		<dc:creator>Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey
Thanks for your Review of that certainly moving Anime, that I&#039;ve finished just 10 Minutes ago =)
Although I&#039;ve never seen H&amp;C, being a male in his 20&#039;s, I wouldn&#039;t hesitate to rank Toradora equal to KareKano when it comes to the Effect they have. I have always enjoyed Hideaki Annos deep views into the psyche of his characters, and I enjoyed, in the same way, the clever metaphores, especially ghosts/aliens and tiger&amp;dragon, of Toradora.
I got the feeling of watching not only a story, but being allowed to learn something, in a philosophical way. something i cherish in anime series.

Anyway, this was a very enjoyable Review to read, and made me smile a few times as I remembered what I&#039;d seen the past days.
Keep up the good work!

Greetings from Switzerland</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey<br />
Thanks for your Review of that certainly moving Anime, that I&#8217;ve finished just 10 Minutes ago =)<br />
Although I&#8217;ve never seen H&amp;C, being a male in his 20&#8217;s, I wouldn&#8217;t hesitate to rank Toradora equal to KareKano when it comes to the Effect they have. I have always enjoyed Hideaki Annos deep views into the psyche of his characters, and I enjoyed, in the same way, the clever metaphores, especially ghosts/aliens and tiger&amp;dragon, of Toradora.<br />
I got the feeling of watching not only a story, but being allowed to learn something, in a philosophical way. something i cherish in anime series.</p>
<p>Anyway, this was a very enjoyable Review to read, and made me smile a few times as I remembered what I&#8217;d seen the past days.<br />
Keep up the good work!</p>
<p>Greetings from Switzerland</p>
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		<title>By: Topspin</title>
		<link>http://animediet.net/anime-reviews/review-toradora-85/comment-page-1#comment-11035</link>
		<dc:creator>Topspin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think commenters like kistories have never experienced a real-life &quot;love triangle&quot;. I had a couple of teary and angry confrontations that resulted from mine, and ToraDora&#039;s portrayal didn&#039;t seem vapid to me - it hit home pretty close in fact. I know several others who have been in similar situations who also felt that this aspect of the series wasn&#039;t over-dramatic. I found the Kitamura arc was needlessly overwrought, but the central romance of the story was done pretty well.

In fact, I am more annoyed with H&amp;C using the tired cliche of using unrequited love to define a character (several of them, in fact).  I like the friendship/personal growth aspects of H&amp;C, but the love story aspects are pretty trite and convenient, making H&amp;C feel more like a soap opera to me than ToraDora ever did.

Perhaps it&#039;s just the fact that ToraDora&#039;s characters are pigeonholed  into modern anime stereotypes that upsets some older viewers? ToraDora is not a josei, it&#039;s a shoujo for younger audiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think commenters like kistories have never experienced a real-life &#8220;love triangle&#8221;. I had a couple of teary and angry confrontations that resulted from mine, and ToraDora&#8217;s portrayal didn&#8217;t seem vapid to me &#8211; it hit home pretty close in fact. I know several others who have been in similar situations who also felt that this aspect of the series wasn&#8217;t over-dramatic. I found the Kitamura arc was needlessly overwrought, but the central romance of the story was done pretty well.</p>
<p>In fact, I am more annoyed with H&amp;C using the tired cliche of using unrequited love to define a character (several of them, in fact).  I like the friendship/personal growth aspects of H&amp;C, but the love story aspects are pretty trite and convenient, making H&amp;C feel more like a soap opera to me than ToraDora ever did.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s just the fact that ToraDora&#8217;s characters are pigeonholed  into modern anime stereotypes that upsets some older viewers? ToraDora is not a josei, it&#8217;s a shoujo for younger audiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://animediet.net/anime-reviews/review-toradora-85/comment-page-1#comment-7824</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;louie&lt;/strong&gt;: it may not be the best, per se, but it&#039;s better than any action anime &lt;em&gt;I&#039;ve&lt;/em&gt; watched. :)

&lt;strong&gt;kistories&lt;/strong&gt;: you know, I did acknowledge that this isn&#039;t on the same level as &lt;em&gt;H&amp;C&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;Karekano&lt;/em&gt;. Those are masterpieces of realism. I would, however, put it on roughly the same level as &lt;em&gt;True Tears&lt;/em&gt;, which I did like a lot but acknowledged it had some implausible twists (like &lt;em&gt;Toradora&lt;/em&gt;). They both have a lot of emotional honesty and genuine moments. I&#039;d also add that screaming and crying over love does in fact happen in real life; the emotional restraint of &lt;em&gt;H&amp;C&lt;/em&gt; works for those characters because 1.) they&#039;re older; 2.) that&#039;s who those particular people are. Now, I do tend to prefer that mode which is why I rate &lt;em&gt;H&amp;C &lt;/em&gt;higher; I relate to people who tend to internalize their struggle and pain better. However, if you can&#039;t see some of the same reflectiveness and character growth in &lt;em&gt;Toradora!&lt;/em&gt; that marked &lt;em&gt;H&amp;C&lt;/em&gt; I&#039;m afraid we&#039;ll have to agree to disagree. It may not have been to the same highly calibrated degree but it was definitely there, and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a coincidence given so much of the staff overlap.

&lt;strong&gt;Andrew&lt;/strong&gt;: I like that piece too. It&#039;s one of the ones that play in the emotional moments and so I do remember it more than the other pieces; the jaunty, happy ones to me were relatively forgettable. But that&#039;s probably because it&#039;s correlated to the more memorable moments of the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>louie</strong>: it may not be the best, per se, but it&#8217;s better than any action anime <em>I&#8217;ve</em> watched. :)</p>
<p><strong>kistories</strong>: you know, I did acknowledge that this isn&#8217;t on the same level as <em>H&amp;C</em> or <em>Karekano</em>. Those are masterpieces of realism. I would, however, put it on roughly the same level as <em>True Tears</em>, which I did like a lot but acknowledged it had some implausible twists (like <em>Toradora</em>). They both have a lot of emotional honesty and genuine moments. I&#8217;d also add that screaming and crying over love does in fact happen in real life; the emotional restraint of <em>H&amp;C</em> works for those characters because 1.) they&#8217;re older; 2.) that&#8217;s who those particular people are. Now, I do tend to prefer that mode which is why I rate <em>H&amp;C </em>higher; I relate to people who tend to internalize their struggle and pain better. However, if you can&#8217;t see some of the same reflectiveness and character growth in <em>Toradora!</em> that marked <em>H&amp;C</em> I&#8217;m afraid we&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree. It may not have been to the same highly calibrated degree but it was definitely there, and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a coincidence given so much of the staff overlap.</p>
<p><strong>Andrew</strong>: I like that piece too. It&#8217;s one of the ones that play in the emotional moments and so I do remember it more than the other pieces; the jaunty, happy ones to me were relatively forgettable. But that&#8217;s probably because it&#8217;s correlated to the more memorable moments of the show.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i personally found the soundtrack much better then you talked about, particularly the song &quot;lost my pieces&quot;

but obviously this is simply my opinion, and i agree with pretty much everything else you said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i personally found the soundtrack much better then you talked about, particularly the song &#8220;lost my pieces&#8221;</p>
<p>but obviously this is simply my opinion, and i agree with pretty much everything else you said.</p>
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		<title>By: kistories</title>
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		<dc:creator>kistories</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 21:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh....Honey and Clover was an honest, heartfelt portrayal of transitioning from teenagers to adults.  Toradora is superficial typical anime melodrama that parades as something meaningful.  Particularly all that ridiculous emo overload in the last few episodes.  Can you imagine Takemoto, Morita and Hagu screaming and crying at each other over their love triangles.  No, cause that&#039;s not reality.  That&#039;s a soap opera.  High school romance belongs to shows like Kare Kano, Touch, Kimagure Orange Road, even True Tears....this is just soppy manipulative angst with bright colors.


I just don&#039;t get how people who praise H&amp;C can see anything similar in vapid shows like this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh&#8230;.Honey and Clover was an honest, heartfelt portrayal of transitioning from teenagers to adults.  Toradora is superficial typical anime melodrama that parades as something meaningful.  Particularly all that ridiculous emo overload in the last few episodes.  Can you imagine Takemoto, Morita and Hagu screaming and crying at each other over their love triangles.  No, cause that&#8217;s not reality.  That&#8217;s a soap opera.  High school romance belongs to shows like Kare Kano, Touch, Kimagure Orange Road, even True Tears&#8230;.this is just soppy manipulative angst with bright colors.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t get how people who praise H&amp;C can see anything similar in vapid shows like this one.</p>
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		<title>By: louie</title>
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		<dc:creator>louie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think this anime is the best ive ever seen. even better than action anime</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think this anime is the best ive ever seen. even better than action anime</p>
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		<title>By: CriticalDesign</title>
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		<dc:creator>CriticalDesign</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what made the animation was the lighting and smoothing.

The sound was wonderful, from voices to music, the timing was nicely done. This ties in with acting, which fit the animation, even if there were a lot of overly melodramatic scenes.
Story. At some points I felt it was brilliant, at other points I thought it was just..eh. Maybe this doesn&#039;t tie in, but the whole coincidence-driven plot and the like didn&#039;t keep me from cringing near the end of the series.
 
*shrug* who knows. I always talk crap about the show before I watch it, where I go googly eyed after the episode ends :]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what made the animation was the lighting and smoothing.</p>
<p>The sound was wonderful, from voices to music, the timing was nicely done. This ties in with acting, which fit the animation, even if there were a lot of overly melodramatic scenes.<br />
Story. At some points I felt it was brilliant, at other points I thought it was just..eh. Maybe this doesn&#8217;t tie in, but the whole coincidence-driven plot and the like didn&#8217;t keep me from cringing near the end of the series.<br />
 <br />
*shrug* who knows. I always talk crap about the show before I watch it, where I go googly eyed after the episode ends :]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;BAggu&lt;/strong&gt;: well, whatever I said that was &quot;bad&quot; is far outweighed by its virtues too. So yeah, I&#039;ll always have good memories of this show!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>BAggu</strong>: well, whatever I said that was &#8220;bad&#8221; is far outweighed by its virtues too. So yeah, I&#8217;ll always have good memories of this show!</p>
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		<title>By: BAggu</title>
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		<dc:creator>BAggu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was an great anime i have nothing bad to say about it except...no i have nothing bad to say about this. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was an great anime i have nothing bad to say about it except&#8230;no i have nothing bad to say about this. </p>
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